So here we are with the third and final volume of the manga adaptation of the 2011 twelve episode anime of the same name. The story revolves around the sinister creature Kyubey, an amoral genderless bunnycat who finds vulnerable teenage girls and offers them a deal. A contract with it that if it grants them a single wish, they will become Magical Girls whose job from now on will be to fight "Witches" - eldritch abominations that feed off the living. Kyubey does this by extracting the girl's soul and placing it in a "Soul Gem", so while the girls acquire super-strength, the ability to manifest weapons and can heal from the most appalling of wounds, their bodies are merely empty husks as for all intents and purposes the girls are now liches. Kyubey hid this detail from them but events conspired to reveal the truth. Sayaka, took this news very hard and started down a path that left her Soul Gem at it's limit and at the end of Book 2 transformed into a witch as witnessed by the constantly pursuing Kyoko who had started out bullying Sayaka but after the Soul Gem revelation became more well... interested in her well-being shall we say. Meanwhile the other Magical Girl, Homura was revealed to have time manipulation powers and Kyubey dropped the bombshell that she is does not actually originate from the current timeline. Both she and Kyubey are engaged in a very aggressive battle for Madoka's soul (Homura has killed Kyubey several times just out of annoyance because the little shit is a hive mind with infinite bodies), Kyubey for reasons still unstated, really, really wants Madoka to contract with it. Homura will do anything to stop that, and she has managed to be in the right place at the right time many times to intervene and stop it happening. This final volume sees the focus move to Homura as all the questions thrown up by her actions and attitude are finally answered.
The manga is unflipped and so reads from right to left, honourifics used too, and before we explore Homura's character it's time to wrap up Kyoko and Sayaka's story. Sayaka's witchform is called Oktavia Von Seckendorff, this is a meaningful name as it comes from Karl Siegmund von Seckendorff, who composed for "Der König in Thule", the poem that appears in Goethe's version of Faust, as well as wrote a book called "Das Rad des Schicksals" (The Wheel of Fate). Oktavia fights by throwing wheels, and the word "Schicksal" appears in her labyrinth. Faust is a big influence on this series and we'll be finding out just which Magical Girl is Faust in a short while. Oktavia is also a mermaid, which if you know the original non-Disneyfied version of "The Little Mermaid" is incredibly appropriate to Sayaka's story arc. Why it's almost like it was deliberate or summat.
Homura to the rescue. |
Kyoko lays Sayaka on the ground and turns away in great emotional pain as Madoka tries to rouse Sayaka, but it's futile. Sayaka is dead. Asked why, Homura doesn't spare her feelings, "her soul mutated into a Grief Seed... then a Witch was born causing its destruction". Madoka can't believe it but Homura assures her this is reality. Madoka wails that Sayaka wanted to be a champion of justice and help people.
Homura: "She took on a curse corresponding to the scope of her wish she made... and to the same extent that she saved some people, she cursed others. That was how she lived as a Magical Girl."
Kyoko angrily accuses Homura of "flaunting your knowledge at a painful time like this! This girl is Sayaka's..." and she trails off overwhelmed with sorrow.
Homura is relentless though and says to Madoka that now she understands the truth behind what "you so wanted to be." She starts to leave telling Kyoko that now she's brought the corpse out to be careful with how she disposes of it. "You call yourself human!?" rages Kyoko. "Of course not" says Homura, "and neither are you". And she walks off.
I thought fighting entropy included computers and CVEs! |
Kyubey: "Don't misunderstand us. We have no evil intentions toward you humans. It is an unavoidable circumstance that drove us to this."
So get ready for the reason it's doing all this. It's all about fighting "entropy" and prolonging the lifespan of the universe. Yeah. It gives a simplistic explanation of how the universe is slow ridding itself of energy. So Kyubey's people went out to find a source of energy that "does not fall under the laws of thermodynamics".
Well if it works, it works. |
Kyubey: "In the instant that a Soul Gem burns out and turns into a Grief Seed, it releases an enormous amount of energy. The job of we Incubators is to collect that energy."
Madoka says that they are "disposable goods" then, supposed to die for them? Kyubey tells her that eventually humans will leave the planet and take their place with them, "in the long run this is a deal that benefits your race too".
Madoka shouts that Mami died and Sayaka went through all that pain for some "incomprehensible excuse!?" She says it's too cruel. Kyubey says it did nothing without mutual agreement no? Madoka cries that it "was just you tricking us!!" Kyubey says that it doesn't understand the whole "trick" thing. It thinks humans don't take responsibility for their own failure to "understand the consequences of their decisions".
It says that they have a really hard time comprehending human values, with a population of nearly seven billion, "what's the huge fuss over the death of each and every single creature?" Madoka says if it thinks like that Kyubey is the enemy of humanity. He sighs that it was futile trying to explain to her.
Kyubey: "Someday you will become the greatest of all Magical Girls... and then you will become the evilest Witch ever known. And when that happens, we will have our hands on an amount of energy the likes of which we've never seen before. When you decide to die for the good of the universe, call me anytime... I'll be waiting."
Shithead. And with that it leaves and Madoka curls up and starts sobbing herself to sleep. Kyubey then goes to see Kyoko who's broken into a hotel and has Sayaka empty shell of a body laid out on the bed as Kyoko uses her magic to keep it from decaying. Kyubey says it can't understand why she's going to all that "trouble to preserve the freshness of this corpse."
Kyoko taking care of Sayaka's remains. |
Next day Madoka comes to meet Kyoko, who tells her she thinks she can save Sayaka. She's a Witch now but if she hears the voice of a friend she might remember what it means to be human, and maybe "if I split that Witch in two, a Soul Gem might come popping out and we could revive Sayaka!!"
Kyoko: "Well, isn't that the way it should work? In the end courage and love triumphs over all? Like in those stories. When I thought about it, I became a Magical Girl 'cos I loved those stories. Sayaka was the one who made me remember".
Kyoko tells Madoka it'll be dangerous, she might not be able to protect her. But Madoka agrees. She formally introduces herself and Kyoko laughs, pressing a candy bar into Madoka's hand as she introduces herself too.
They find the labyrinth and Madoka asks if Homura would help but Kyoko says she's not the type. She isn't friends with her they just have some mutual interests. In a few days Walpurgis Nacht (for some reason this volume goes back to the fully German name of Walpurgis Night as used in the anime) will come to the city. It's like the "ultimate enemy to us Magical Girls" and can't be defeated by one Magical Girl alone.
Madoka sadly thinks that she is a coward, letting other people do the fighting for her. But Kyoko roughly says being a Magical Girl isn't a joke or playing around, they put themselves in harms way because they have no choice. She then smiles and says one day Madoka might have her back against the wall, so "you can think about that stuff when the time comes."
Oktavia Von Seckendorff. |
She tells her to bust the place up, release her anger and Kyoko will come with her, and once she's had her fill, wake up. But Oktavia grabs Madoka and starts to squeeze. Kyoko slices her hand off, then Oktavia catches Kyoko with stab to her torso and slices through the floor and all three tumble down to the next floor and Kyoko thinks to herself:
Kyoko: "Oh come on God... you saw what my life was like! So just once... let me have a nice, happy dream..."
Homura arrives and catches the unconcious Madoka. Kyoko is drenched in blood and barely able to stand, she tells Homura that Madoka was nice enough to hang out "with a dummy like me". She tells her to go, she can't fight and protect Madoka at the same time, "you pick the one thing in the world you wanna protect and you protect it to the end."
Kyoko makes her decison. |
That's Kyoko out of the story. So girl meets girl, girl tries to kill girl, girl falls in love with girl, girl turns in to Lovecraftian ambination and it all ends in a spectular murder/suicide. Aaah. How many times have we heard that story Mr. Lister? I'm only joking because I have something in my eye. And something in my other eye.... I HAVE SOMETHING IN MY HEART! Luckily the manga gives me something to cry happy tears over as they meet again in the afterlife.
Magical Girl Valhalla, lesbianism mandatory. |
And now it's time for a flashback to finally answer all the questions Homura's words and actions have thrown up. It's the first day of school for a new transfer student who has been hospitalised for some time with a heart condition. And it's Homura Akemi, but she's not the hair flipping, Zen warrior of mystery we've come to know, she's well... a massive dork. She's shy and awkward, and freaks a bit when girls cluster round her asking questions.
H.. Homura?! |
But unlike the Homura we know, this one can't answer the questions written on the whiteboard and becomes out of breath easily during the athletics class, fainting during the warm-ups. She miserably walks home thinking "I... can never be cool, can I..?" Then a voice tells her "then it would be better if you just died, huh?" And a Witches labyrinth forms around her as a voice yells "WHY DON'T YOU DIE....!"
Familiars start to come for her when suddenly Mami and Madoka (armed with a bow), both Magical Girls appear and save Homura. Kyubey perkily tells Homura they hunt Witches, and Madoka tells Homura to keep it a secret from their classmates. They have tea round at Mami's and they explain the Magical Girl thing to Homura. Madoka is a newbie, she only contracted a week before, "I'm sort of a half-baked beginner she says". Mami says she did very well, but must get even better for Walpurgis Nacht is arriving in a few weeks.
Mami and Madoka, a Magical Girl team. |
We then cut to to a weeping Homura sitting by Madoka's dead and brutalised body, "you knew you were going to your death... I wanted you to live on... even if it meant you couldn't save me." Her grieving attracts Kyubey and he offers her the standard spiel about having a wish granted in exchange for a life of battle, she has more than enough potential. So Homura stands up and makes her wish:
Homura: "I want to redo my meeting with Kaname-san. I don't want to be protected by her! I want to be the one to protect her!"
Her Soul Gem is formed, her powers unlock and suddenly she finds herself back in the hospital roughly ten days before she is to start school. When she does so, and is introduced to the class, she is so happy to see Madoka again she rushes up to her saying she's a Magical Girl too, embarrassing Madoka a bit.
Bunnycat wants your soul... |
But Walpurgis Nacht this time brings a nasty surprise. Madoka over exerts herself and doesn't cleanse her Soul Gem in time to stop it turning into a Witch, Homura can only watch in horror as an ominous back figure boils out of Madoka's Grief Seed and she realises the truths Kyubey has been keeping from them.
Ever wonder why she didn't just tell the others? Well we jump to the next timeline and Homura is telling Madoka, Mami and Sayaka what she knows. And they don't believe her. Sayaka says she is just trying to cause strife and also she doesn't like having Homura on the team as bombs going off in her face isn't fun. So using her time freeze ability Homura goes to a Yakuza den and steals all their guns. Cool.
Suddenly Oktavia! Hello Oktavia. Kyoko by now has joined them and as before Madoka is calling out trying to reach what she thinks might be Sayaka inside her. Of course it doesn't work, and Homura freezes time, pulls out a revolver to shoot the missiles heading towards Madoka then blows Oktavia up with another large pipe bomb apologising to Sayaka as she does so.
Mami snaps. |
Well that doesn't go as planned. Battered, they both lie on the ground, their Soul Gems at their very limits. And they have no Grief Seeds left.
Homura: "Say... we're going to become the monsters next huh? We're gonna throw things into chaos... do terrible things. Making everyone sad... destroy everything as if it never existed. Okay I think I can live with that."
Madoka then says she lied, she has one left (it's heavily implied it's Oktavia's which Madoka couldn't bring herself to use). She presses it to Homura's Soul Gem cleansing it. Homura sits up and holds Madoka's broken body saying she wasn't worth saving.
But Madoka says she can go back in time right? Change history so this doesn't happen, "I want you to go back before Kyubey tricked us.. find the stupid me from then... and save her." Homura says she promises, no matter how many times she has to do it over she'll protect her. Madoka is pleased but has one last request. She wants Homura to destroy her Soul Gem which is already starting to turn into a Grief Seed. Homura calls her Madoka for the first time and pulling out her revolver, shoots Madoka right in the soul. The grimmest moment of the series.
I um... see Homura perferred revolvers at first. |
So what Homura does now is what any gamer knows to do when you reach the same sticking point in a game. Reset to an earlier check-point and grind up your stats on weaker enemies until you can finally beat the end boss. This timeline she takes care of all the witches herself and ends up fighting Walpurgis Nacht in a rerun of the dream Madoka had right at the start. This time we hear what she was trying to scream at Madoka, not to listen to Kyubey, not to make a contract. But Madoka makes the contract and we jump forwards to the aftermath of the Walpurgis Nacht battle, or curb-stomp more like.
Madoka's witchform runs amok. |
Homura: "I'll relive it over and over. For you, my one and only friend. As long as it's for you I don't mind being stuck in an never-ending labyrinth".
And that brings the flashback to an end. There are a few things to tease out of this section. First of all it cements Homura as Faust and Kyubey as Mephistopheles, but in Goethe's version of Faust there is also a female character Faust is obssessed with, her name is Gretchen. And Madoka's witch name? "Kriemhild Gretchen". I rest my case. Also there is elements of the legend of Sisyphus, fated to push the same boulder up a hill over and over.
It's never stated outright how long Homura has been resetting time just that she's seen countless deaths. Spin-off media like various manga miniseries and the PSP game have filled in events that have occured in other loops, and the head writer himself, Gen Urobuchi said she spent around 100 times trying, reliving the same six weeks for nearly twelve subjective years. Yeah things are shitty for Homura, but she'd do anything for love.
Kyubey puts it all together... |
Kyubey: "A Magical Girl's potential is decided by the scale of the burden of fate she is forced to bear... Madoka is a normal girl with a normal, average life. I couldn't understand and ascertain why so many threads of fate were concentrated upon her."
Because Homura rewound time over and over perhaps this created Madoka's potential to become a stronger and stronger Magical Girl, "I knew it! The one placing all the burden upon her is you". Each universe tied a strand of fate to Madoka, "then suddenly her unprecedented magical potential makes some sense."
Kyubey: "Those lines of burden that you've placed upon her time after repeated time have all twisted about connecting to Madoka Kaname. What an achievement Homura! You raised her to be the worlds most powerful Witch."
The sudden revelation leaves Homura horrified and speechless and Kyubey goes off to bother Madoka. It tells her Kyoko and Sayaka are dead. It then gives Madoka a lesson in how Incubators and Magical Girls have helped humanity evolve. Ever since prehistory they have been making Magical Girls and wishes granted have caused turning points in human history, "and in the end they all fell in the depths of despair".
Madoka says Kyubey betrayed them all, but it responds that their wishes betrayed them, and if they couldn't deal with that they shouldn't have made the wish in the first place. Their tears have become "the foundation for the standard of living that you all enjoy today". Madoka asks if it ever understood what pain they went through, but Kyubey says if they understood that emotion they wouldn't have come to Earth in the first place.
Madoka then goes to Homura's flat (which in the anime is much bigger on the inside than out) to talk to her about Walpurgis Nacht. Homura tells her Walpurgis Nacht is so powerful it doesn't have a labyrinth but normal humans will just see it as a natural disaster. Homura assures Madoka she can beat Walpurgis Nacht on her own but Madoka doesn't believe her.
Suddenly a tearful Homura lunges forwards and hugs Madoka. She wants to tell her who she truly is, she lives in a completely different time from her, she's from the future and she's met Madoka over and over, "and as many times as I've met you, I've seen you die!"
Homura: "What can I do to save you? I've been searching for that answer, starting over and over again time after time."
Homura apologises saying this won't mean anything to Madoka, "I got the feeling I got lost in time long ago". The desire to save Madoka started it, and now "please... let me protect you".
The battle begins. |
Homura has to fend off Familiars taking the form of Mami and Kyoko, but she's tiring and in big trouble. Madoka in the emergency shelter wonders how Homura is doing. Kyubey appears and tells her Homura is fighting desperately because she is still trying to attain her goal.
Kyubey: "She'll repeat this meaningless chain of events over and over, never learning her lesson. I imagine that now she equates stopping the cycle with giving up."
When she finally realises Madoka cannot be saved, she'll give into despair and turn into a Witch. This causes Madoka to start to leave the shelter, but her mum Junko appears and sternly asks what she is hiding from her. Madoka says she has a friend whose life she has to save and she must go now to do it.
Homura can't win, no matter what she does. |
A badly injured Homura struggles to get up, despairingly she wonders why she just can't win against Walpurgis Nacht. She starts to turn back time, but then remembers Kyubey's words, that this will just make Madoka even more powerful. Tearfully she sits and waits for the end. Then Madoka comes up accompanied by Kyubey and says Homura doesn't have to protect her anymore. She is going to make a wish.
Kyubey tells her that any wish can be granted as she is so potentially powerful. Homura tries to tell her not to. If she does, what has Homura been doing all this for? Madoka sits down by her and says because of her wish to protect her, she's become powerful enough to make a wish which she thinks is finally the answer, "so please... trust me." Kyubey is practically salivating at hearing her wish so she makes it:
Madoka: "I wish for all Witches to vanish before they can be born. All the Witches through all of space and time, in the past, present and future... I'll save every last one myself."
Kyubey is actually shocked, it tells her that's going to mean a "reversal if the laws of cause and effect!" Madoka is lit up now by heavenly light, she says she wants to erase the tears of all those who trusted in hope, "I want them to be left with a smile on their faces."
Madoka: "Any stupid rule that interferes with it... will be erased! It will be changed! That is my wish! Now... grant it! INCUBATOR!!!"
Suddenly Madoka is in a void speaking with Mami who says that was a frightening wish. Madoka will be a permanent part of the universe, the very concept of eliminating Witches for a limitless eternal stretch of time. Madoka says that's what she intended, she wants to embrace hope and keep saying it forever.
Madoka's wish. |
We return to reality and Madoka fires her bow into the air and millions of arrows burst forth, each arrow finds a Magical Girl about to become a Witch and Madoka appears, destroys the Soul Gem before they can transform and allow them to die in peace, fading away to join God Madoka in her Magical Girl Valhalla. Madoka then takes on Walpurgis Nacht and as the many cursed Witches who make her up are purified she crumbles away.
Madoka's wish in action. |
It starts to transform into a Witch so huge it circles the Earth. But as Homura stands aghast at what is happening, she hears Madoka's voice and she appears saying that her wish was to destroy all Witches and so "even I have no reason to despair" and she purifies her gigantic Witchform in a double page spread I can't scan.
Madoka's wish protects even herself. |
Kyubey: "There will be no proof nor memory that you will ever have existed in this world. The existence that is you will shift up a level, becoming only a concept. No one will ever be aware you existed and you will never be able to affect the world again. You will no longer be a member of this universe".
Homura cries out that this is even crueller than killing her. But Madoka appears to her (in the anime they are naked and do some serious snuggling, just to dial the gay up further) and reassures her this is what she wanted. She can see all the universes that might have been and all the universes that still may be.
Now she understands what Homura went through for her, all the tears and scars. She had a precious friend and she never realised it. Now she has become what she is now, she's seen it all, "Homura-chan you were my very best friend". They hug and Madoka tells her she'll always be with her even if she can't see or feel it. Homura wonders if she'll forget her as well.
Hey, where the Naked Space Hug, huh? |
We then cut to Kyosuke playing his violin on stage for an audition. Sitting in the audience is Madoka and Sayaka. Madoka says she could have made it so this never happened, but she didn't think Sayaka would have wanted that. Sayaka agrees, saying she wanted to hear his violin and have other people hear it. She thinks Hitomi is too good for him though. Having made her peace with her wish, Madoka takes her away.
Homura finds herself back in the aftermath of the battle that caused Sayaka to push her Soul Gem past its limit and now she has disappeared thanks to Madoka although the others don't know that, they call it the Law Of Cycles. Mami and Kyoko are here too as they were killed by Witches who have never existed now. Kyoko is upset and holding back tears at Sayaka's death says they had just become friends as well. Homura looks at the ribbons in her hands and starts crying, saying "Madoka..." Who's Madoka the other two ask her?
Poor Homura, even when she wins, she loses. |
Later one night Homura sits talking with Kyubey telling it all about the Witch system. Kyubey says it could be a reason why things are the way they are now. Instead of Witches they fight Wraiths which drop mutiple cubes that cleanse the Soul Gem and are collected by Kyubey as a power source. Seems Madoka saw the need for The Icubators' plans to still exist. Kyubey says the old world is a memory in her head and is now "indistinguishable from some fairy tale your brain has constructed".
But it is fascinated by the concept of Witches (uh-oh), they have no idea why Soul Gems disappear when they can no longer be purified. If there was such a convenient source of power their methods would be quite different. Homura says "that's just the kind of creeps you are".
Kyubey notes that the miasma is heavy tonight and the wraiths are out in force. They are created by the curses of the world now. She and Kyubey jump down and Homura brings out her new weapon, a bow as wielded by Madoka and huge black wings erupt from her back as she hits the ground.
Homura: "Sadness and hatred revive in an endless loop and there's no saving the world from it... Even so, this is the place that a certain girl was determined to protect. And I remember. And that's why I will keep up the fight!"
The anime ended with Homura walking alone in a desert, sprouting huge wings she leapt into battle with many wraiths. The manga ends with Homura being taken away by Madoka having returned to her original shy girl look. This didn't happen in the anime and frankly it relies on Homura having healed from her PTSD and learned to deal with all the shit that happened to her. The sequel movie Rebellion explicitly de-canonises this sequence. But it does bring the manga to a happier ending than the anime.
Homura's new weapon. |
Today I think I'll mostly play Kyubey to human translator.
ReplyDelete- “Kyubey: "(...) We have no evil intentions toward you humans. (...)."”
“We just don't care shit about you.”
- “Madoka says that they are "disposable goods" then”
She learned how to translate from Kyubey too!
- “"in the long run this is a deal that benefits your race too"”
“If you live that long, which wasn't a concern, when devising this plan at all, and by all logic not a likely scenario even without our meddling.”
- “It thinks humans don't take responsibility for their own failure to "understand the consequences of their decisions".”
Yeah… because children will be perfectly capable of understanding the consequences of their decisions. Especially when we purposefully withhold important information.
It's not like Incubators are preying on the vulnerable on purpose or anything.
Wait…
- “for the good of the universe”
And believe me… it's not like every word from me was manipulation or anything.
Waaaait… /s
Also is there anything that a highly nebulous, far away, etc. “greater good” like this couldn't be used to justify?
Not to mention for what we know they might use that energy to cause the Big Crunch for example. Or run their ruthless conquering military on it as side project too. (It didn't say. Wouldn't contradict anything it said. And nobody asked…)
I'm just saying if anybody wanted to run an operation like this on fair terms, that required a highly detailed contract. :3
- “So it may have been a different timeline Kyubey but it DID lie about having humanity's best interests at heart then.”
It said averting the heat death of the universe would be advantageous for humanity in the long run. Which is technically true as it's hard to exist without a universe. BUT it never once stated that it would help humanity to survive that long, or even just help humanity survive the plan.
I love to hate bunny-cat very much.
- “Kyubey: "(...)What an achievement Homura! You raised her to be the worlds most powerful Witch."”
“I so love you did something advantageous to me without intending to because you didn't have enough information to predict the results. So this is all your fault! *Mwahahahahahaha!!!*”
- "It then gives Madoka a lesson in how Incubators and Magical Girls have helped humanity evolve."
Was it because of it or despite it though? Is it trying to make Madoka commit a a logical fallacy? (With it's track record probably.) Or just being an asshole perpetuating the "bullying makes you stronger" myth? :P
- “Later one night Homura sits talking with Kyubey telling it all about the Witch system.”
I take “Very Bad Ideas” for 100$!
Hang on, how would that plan even work without a giant radio telescope?
ReplyDeleteOoh, so much to unpack here. But very happy with how it resolved. Not that it had a classic happy ending, but that's one of the reasons I liked it.
I'll have to bore you sometime about a real life situation where someone mentioned a nefarious scheme as a cautionary warning; then the person did exactly that. But maybe save for if you cover the sequel.
The groundhog day loop was very sad, but we'll handled. Lots of themes it throws up. I suppose one is that oft quoted definition of psychopathy. But I like the sysiophus idea. And it's a tragedy in the technical sense (no matter what the protagonist does they're doomed to failure).
I like the faustian aspects, although perhaps they were a tad too obvious. Then again it's that's Alan Moore thing where it's fun to spot the references.
I also liked bunnycat's motivations. Amoral characters are often more interesting than evil ones. You know my favourite sinister quote is the one about the universe being indifferent. I saw a few episodes of that terminator series. One bit I liked was when Cameron pointed out that terminators aren't evil, they're just pragmatic. It's always hard to have a totally alien character who interacts with humans, just for narrative reasons. But it was an interesting attempt at showing the lack of a common frame of reference between the bunnycat and the girls.
I'll do my usual digesting and processing. But yeah, I really enjoyed this. If you'll excuse me I need to stock up on Ramen and green tea kit kats (actually, I wish you could buy them here, they sound nice)
@Malitia: Nice translating lol. As SF Debris sad, "yeah. I'd like to see the contract you had an eight grader sign!"
ReplyDeleteAlso, I have wondered, and maybe we can muse about it together here, that the reason he told Madoka about the whole "we helped humanity evolve" was he went and spoke to the rest of his hive mind and they realised, "shit, she has so much power she might just wish us away. Better give her a reason not to!"
I love to hate bunnycat as well, although I think it outdid itself in dickishness for the film, what I am going to cover in a couple of months. One reason I like the ending is... ah we shall talk then.
@Alan: Yeah, the Doctor might have found it hard to get his head around fighting entropy with lolicon. But I thought you'd get a kick out of Kyubey's plan. He is as I said in the conclusion, the true Lovecraftian being. An Elder God who just happens to take a form that is most pleasing to an adolescent girl. I bet it really has tentacles when it goes back to Incubator world.
The Faust stuff is pretty obvious to use Westerners, but Japanese aren't so familiar. And adding Gretchen in is a touch most adaptations here don't use, usually it's just the Faust and Mephistopheles stand-ins.
Anyway, look forward to further cogitation and don't forget there is a sequel movie I am going to cover the adaptation of too.
If I've learned one thing from the Internet it's that Japanese girls love tentacles; so maybe he should have stuck with his true form.
ReplyDeleteI loved Malitia's translations. Thinking about it, minors can only enter into contracts for 'necessities', so I wonder whether the magic girl thing is enforceable in law?
If I sign up with bunnycat my wish will be "Please can we solve the entropy issue without all this getting murdered and becoming an eldritch horror malarkey?"
Aliens shape human development for their own purposes is a bit of a trope in itself. My favourite of course being DR & Quinch.
I don't really have a problem as such with bunnycat though. I can see the logic in the plan. Certainly from a utilitarian basis anyway. It's also a nice commentary on exploitation and maybe colonialism. Sci-fi is good at that. War of the Worlds was an allegory about both the British empire and vegetarianism. Mind you, in the Tom Cruise version the kids were so annoying I was rooting for the Martians.
I liked the girls here though.
I'm glad you liked the girls too, they are a cool selection of differing personalities and I'm glad they all return for the sequel. Yes, ALL of them. And we get not one bunnycat, but thousands of them. All appear to be Kyubey though. I have to say I'm not sure how Hive Minds work, but bunnycat seems to make it so. I'm a tease. :P
ReplyDeleteMaybe in one universe someone did make that wish and created Logopolis....? AaaAh. Actually the show and manga can't quite decide if there is only on actual timeline or if Homura created a whole new universe with each reset which is kind of an epic power when you think about it. There was a videogame on the PSP which explored some more timelines, and included Mami and Kyoko becoming witches in some. Kyoko only turns if you have Homura kill Oktavia before she and Madoka can try and get through to her. She gives an epic rant on the hopelessness of love in a hopeless world and turns into a witch with the highly symbolic name - Ophelia. And she's a pain in the arse to fight as well. If Homura turns into a witch you don't even get to fight her, it's an instant game over. Eek.
I liked that although they were all different it wasn't just that 'shes the cool one, she's the angry one, she's the intellectual one...' They certainly had primary characteristics, but they weren't too one dimensional, they had a bit of complexity and overlap.
ReplyDeleteI could bang on forever about the multiverse and time travel. I love this in real life as much as fictional portrayal. Fiction is a good way to explore the various models. From a narrative point of view I prefer the single overwritten timeline hypothesis. It's easier to invest in the characters if there's only one of them if you get my drift. But I'm also fascinated by the idea that each quantum event creates a pair of branching alternative universes. At first it was hard to grasp. I thought we'd soon run out of room, but as a more scientifically literate friend pointed out "infinity doesn't work that way!"
Speaking of which, there's a great open university programme that deals with something called Hilbert's Hotel. That's a particular illustrated of how infinity works. It's got a real hitchhikers guide vibe to it. I keep trying to find it on YouTube but to no avail so far. But consider a hotel with an infinite number of rooms that are all full. Then a coach with an infinite number of passengers turns up. How do you accommodate them? There is a really simple solution. And then it goes on from there.
As for multiple bunnycats. They may just be projections into our universe of one single one. I once came up with a theory about how the monolith(s) in 2001 worked like that. Arthur Clarke pretty much states that in the later books. But another way of looking at it is by considering entangled quantum particules. It seems like they're separate entities, but somehow they seem to know what the other one is doing, even if they're separated by light years. Einstein was a bit freaked out by the "spooky action at a distance" as he called it. But imagine that you think you're looking at two goldfish each in their own tank. Then you realise you're actually seeing two TV screens filming the same goldfish from different angles. Now extrapolate that to multiple bunnycats.
As for hive minds, just look at ants. Theyre amazing. They collectivly use relatively simple algorithms for finding food or new accommodation. They've tried applying those algorithms to things like the 'traveling salesman' maths problems. The results were amazing. Better than some of the most sophisticated computer solutions. So then they applied them to the voyager space probe routeing (which was considered at the time an amazing bit of maths work). Not only did the ants method find the solution NASA actually used, they came up with two new solutions that would have been better.
Freaky eh?
What's interesting about the girls is how East and West treat them. Now both are combined in their love of Homura, but Kyoko is the least favourite of the five in Japan while she is close on the heels of Homura in the West. And Americans seem to really have it in for Sayaka, considered "weak" apparently which I've had a few impassioned Youtube arguments about because of my identification with her (according to Gen Unrobuchi or "Crusher of Hope" as I like to think of him, in EVERY timeloop she made a contract, she witched out and died. Hnnh).
ReplyDeleteIn the show they refer to Madoka as having built up a huge amount of "Karmic Destiny" which I thought layered in some subtle Buddhist stuff, especially alongside Homura's constant suffering in the material world. So I think it's a single timeline being rewritten and it's the "death" of each universe with her being the reason why as giving Madoka her unimaginable potential. I also think Homura was unconsciously powering herself up as well, hence the ability to manifest scary wings and well... you'll see in a couple of months time.
I like your explanation of multiple bunnycats, I also kindof believe they started out as a race of bueraucrats and Kyubey just has excellent compartmentalisation skills. I was part of a now sadly no long running online "Choose Your Own Adventure" Madoka Magica forum rpg being run by a very sadistic DM and Kyubey got a bowler hat that it seemed to like a lot at one point and that's amused me ever since. I bet he always knows how many paperclips are left in the labs on Incubator World.
Ants and bees and all that are amazing and hopefully won't evolve to overthrow us when they realise we're not doing enough to fix this entropy issue they've been trying to tell us about all this time :D
I'd not picked up on the Buddhist parallels. But of course it makes sense now with the multiple rebirth cycles until nirvana is achieved. The witching out in every iteration reflects a point people sometimes miss in the multiverse models. People, myself included, will often say "There's an infinite number of universes where x happened". But just because there's an infinite multiverse, doesn't mean every possibility is played out. So you could do the quantum suicide thing but still never win the lottery.
ReplyDeleteI think Homura is probably my favourite, but I do have my thing for combative women. (I know she's only like a teenager, but I'd have her as a protégé).
Yeah, the dispassionate beurocrat makes sense. A jobsworth in the true form. Like I say, I don't have too much of a problem with his motivation. Maybe his methods are a bit unsavoury. But that's a values dissonance thing. Of course one solution to the entropy problem is easy if you have access to time travel and the timeline is mutable. Just keep rerunning the universe. Be like recording over the same videotape.
I liked Philomena Cunk's interview with Brian Cox when he explained the ultimate heat death of the universe.
"But didn't you tell us 'Things can only get better'?"
"Yeah"
"So how can we believe a word you say now?"
There is something awesome about Homura's pragmatism. Okay can stop time but no offence so lets make bombs. Okay bombs and melee combat don't mix so I'll steal a load of Yakuza weapons. It's just amusing to see a Magical Girl with such unusual weaponry. I like how she mixes them with her powers as well. If she fires when time is stopped the bullets travel a few metres before stopping she can empty a clip and have it hit in one go, that's how she shredded Kyubey in the previous volume.
ReplyDeleteThe reason why Kyoko is my fave isn't just that she is gay for Sayaka, but I have a fondness for characters that are hard on the outside but given a chance reveal a much softer centre. Helps that she's also a badass fighter who intentionally handicaps herself because her primary power of illusion is too much of a reminder of her wish.
Kyubey is definitely Values Dissonance writ large, I couldn't get a good scan of the page but when he leaves Madoka after she fails to understand why it's doing what it's doing it looks sniffily disappointed with her. It just genuinely can't understand why she wouldn't want to sacrifice herself for the sake of the universe. That's why I don't think he's evil. Though it is still a manipulative dick.
That Philomena Cunk interview is brilliant. She is Britain's premier philosopher!
Must... resist... posting... Gwenpool... on... Combat Pragmatism*!
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* source: Gwenpool #0 and/or the (pretty in name only) Gwenpool Holiday special #1. #0 collects the shorts she appeared in before the start of her ongoing. I think it's in the first trade.
I'm a big fan of combat pragmatism. Although a military friend outdid me.
ReplyDelete"What's your favourite close quarters weapon?"
"Hmm...B-52"
So is that Gwen as in Spiderman's girlfriend? I like her style.
I also liked the magic girls combo of supernatural powers and technology. Reminds me of that Luke Kirby thing with the werewolf. I'd still like someone to follow up on the apocryphal Rowling quote about "a muggle with a shotgun". Broomsticks versus Eurofighter Typhoon. Or perhaps an A-10 Warthog if we want to get up close.
"Expelli..."
*BRRRTTTTT!*
There's a glorious bit in the Homura backstory which shows her mowing down a witch with a M249 SAW. It's amazing. And as for pragmatism, well in the sequel she needs to create a diversion so she... shoots herself in the fucking head. It Makes Sense In Context. Kinda.
ReplyDeleteGwenpool is my new hero.
@Alan
ReplyDelete"So is that Gwen as in Spiderman's girlfriend?"
No. But they are sort of meta connected. Let me tell you a story about corporate thinking!
So some years ago Marvel had a surprise hit with the character "Spider-Gwen" as in the girlfriend of Spider-Man just in this alternate universe she became Spider-Woman instead. To commemorate this they ran a variant cover month of "Gwen Stacy as ALL the superheroes" which included a Deadpool version. Now enter FANDOM! As in this design got very popular in cosplayer circles. Marvel looked at this and went: "If we produced a comic of this, there would be a market?! O.o" So they called in a webcomic writer (Christopher Hastings, he did The Adventures of Dr. McNinja) who looked at the pitch and thought "So I've a design and a codename, huh? I can work with that." and so Gwen Poole (no relation to Stacy) was born. :D
See this is why Fandoms should use their powers for good more often. Also cosplayers are awesome. I feel the following image is relevant and On Topic.
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All the Gwen variants.
ReplyDeleteMary Jane got a month later too... I think thanks to the popularity of "Spider-Man: Renew Your Wows" ("Peter Parker is still" married alternate universe).
Marvel seems to be treating its female characters better than DC. It makes me sad that Marvel is doing all the hip fun stuff and DC catering to the Cheeto stained neckbeards. Because they only ever by Batman, so give them Batman and give us something good. You managed it for that single beautiful year of the DCYou, I believe in you DC, I belieeeeeeeeve!
ReplyDeleteAt least they seem to be more willing to take chances with experimental titles. Most won't last long (mostly because they don't know how to market them), but occasionally beautiful things are born.
ReplyDeleteI still want, for example, the lesbian angels back. I mean Angela and her girlfriend Sera. :(
I'm trying to work out how you shoot yourself in the head with a SAW, they're pretty big. Still, she is magic. Or maybe has long arms.
ReplyDeleteI love that cosplay picture. You want that on a t-shirt don't you, admit it.
Thanks for that explanation Malitia. I liked the Gwen variants. That's an interesting, if perhaps lazy, way of developing new characters. I still haven't seen Deadpool. Although I've seen enough clips to get the general idea. And I love tne characters; and the deconstruction. Snark and Meta is a nice way forward in comics. So much better than the faux edgy stuff. Gwenpool's costume reminds me of Mike McMahon's artwork. I think it's the feet.
How are the DC neckbeard's coping with the success of Wonder Woman? It's interesting what you say about Marvel. My heroine Shanna the She-Devil came out of a deliberate attempt in the 70s to create three new female characters that weren't just spin offs of girly sidekicks to pre existing male characters (she's the only survivor I think).
It's a pity in a way that even the new Marvel girls are in effect distaff variants of male characters rather than entirely new creations. But I suppose in the end it's what you do with them. And I guess Deadpool owes a lot to she Hulk. Although then we start getting a bit recursive.
Ultimately though it seems (from my limited knowledge) that Japan is doing much better in this regard.
There are not spin-off, or at least too obscure of a spin-off to count, female characters with ongoings even currently. For example: Ms. America, or Moon Girl. (There was both a previous Miss America (she was white and hetero though, the current is a lesbian latina) and a Moon Boy but these were obscure characters.)
ReplyDeleteIt's just apparently much harder to build an audience without the Legacy thing in the current comics climate. :/
Oh the SAW was in a different battle. She shoots herself in the head with her emergency automatic pistol, she'd used her 200 other guns in the preceding battle with Mami.
ReplyDeleteI would like that cosplay picture on a T-shirt. I'd also be willing to put on a pink frock if it meant I could pose with four sexy women as the other four. eheheheheh.
I don't know how the neckbeard fraternity are dealing with the success of the Wonder Woman film, after they did the DC Rebirth I realised I would rather spend eternity in the Artic with my head in a bucket of tar than spend anymore time in the comics fan community.
Ironically thanks to Malitia I now know way more about what's going on with Marvel than any other company ^_^
In my youth the only lesbian comic character was Minnie the Minx, so I'm glad things are looking up for you.
ReplyDeleteI'll venture to the second hand video store tomorrow and see if they've got the WW film in my price range yet. I'm really itching to see that.
Have you managed to track down Doomsday yet? I think you'd enjoy it. I really like Rhona Mitra. She's a very plausible action girl. And it's fun spotting the references to all the great 80s action films (it's a but of a love letter to them)
I'm going to see if I can find a way of watching the magic girls anime. I've enjoyed the clips. Has a nice Akira vibe to it. Do they ever do live action adaptations of animes? I would suggest we play 'who would you cast?' but the only Japanese actress I know is that lass in Sin City.
Minnie the Minx was my hero. But of course.
ReplyDeleteHaven't seen Doomsday. Will have to seek it out in the Usual Place. Oooh Arr me hearties! If you do want to watch all of Madoka Magica, go for the dub. There is a lot of telepathy and it can get hard telling everyone apart in the Japanese and the dub is excellent, one of the best I have ever heard.
I'm not sure what actresses I'd cast. If we open it up to other East Asian actresses I could totally see South Korean actress Im Soo-jung as Homura. Of course if the Americans adapted it they'd cast Scarlet Johanssen as all five. YES I'M BITTER!
Same director as Dog Soldiers
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ReplyDeleteYeah... I talk about Marvel way too much. ^^;
ReplyDeleteAnd If I already wrote about some newer lesbian characters I can't leave out these two. (Aikku Jokinen (POD, later Enigma because the POD armor heroically sacrificed itself to save her... It makes sense in context!) and Toni Ho (Daughter of Yinsen Ho, the scientist from Tony Stark's backstory, "Iron Man" armors run in the family. :3)).
Oh I am not criticising! I love hearing about Marvel stuff, if I had more money I'd be picking up plenty more stuff on your recommendations :) I just need someone who can brave the scuzzy waters of DC to let me know what's happening there (Batman, Batman and Batman probably).
ReplyDeleteI resisted posting a particular panel from the last issue of Unstoppable Wasp. :3 (Two girls dancing. One asking if this is a date, the other asking back if she wants it to be...)
ReplyDeleteSomething for Varalys. Shanna with her lesbian neighbours
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Malitia, didn't you once mention a character called Night Nurse? The medic to Luke Cage et al.
ReplyDeleteJust wondering as she was one of the characters created at the same time as Shanna. Along with someone called Claws of the Cat.
I did.
ReplyDeleteThe most well known wearer of the Night Nurse title debuted in 1961 according to wiki. (I already knew that her first mini series came out in the early 70s. It was a more straightforward medical drama though then.)
(What she first appeared in seems to be more of a romance comic. She isn't the only one with roots like that. Patsy Walker, who started as a romance comic character and was later repurposed as the superheroine Hellcat, even had a series not so long ago.)
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the pages Alan. It captured a well known fact that lesbian couples spend all their down time in just their undies :P No seriously, you should write a book about all these Jungle Girl characters, they are characters I only know about through what you've told me and I find them to be really interesting.
ReplyDeleteWell they do live in California, so perhaps they can be forgiven. It's rather sweet. They initially try to fix Shanna up because they assume she's on the team. That run is interesting though. It a little 4 parter that essentially is all about Shanna in therapy.
ReplyDeleteThere's something for everyone in Shanna stories. Lesbians for you, Series 3 Land Rovers for me. Just look at that classic split screen windshield. Phwoar!
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I'd love to do a JG story. Actually my vegan oppressor wants me to do one starring her. I'll have to get round to it one day.
Well they do live in California, so perhaps they can be forgiven. It's rather sweet. They initially try to fix Shanna up because they assume she's on the team. That run is interesting though. It a little 4 parter that essentially is all about Shanna in therapy.
ReplyDeleteThere's something for everyone in Shanna stories. Lesbians for you, Series 3 Land Rovers for me. Just look at that classic split screen windshield. Phwoar!
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I'd love to do a JG story. Actually my vegan oppressor wants me to do one starring her. I'll have to get round to it one day.
A book about the classic JGs would be a good idea. Wonder how big the market would be for that? Sheena, the sort of original, debuted before Batman I seem to recall. And due to a rather complex distribution deal she came out in the UK before the US
That's quite a range of fanservice lol!
ReplyDeleteYou should definitely do a bespoke JG story, you obviously know all the tropes and so on. I'd read it.
You're such a muse :-) I'll get my thinking cap on.
ReplyDeleteI've sent you an email btw, but in the interim I'll just let your imagination fill in the gaps on what's going on here...
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I can't think what's going on but a flying kick to the face like that makes me think it was probably awesome!
ReplyDeleteI thought you might like that it's Betty rescuing Veronica, or the other way round, I'm not sure who's who.
ReplyDeleteBut I bet they have some fun afterwards. :-)
Betty rescuing Veronica. Betty is the blonde, Veronica is the black haired. And I've no clue where I got that O.o; outside of maybe popcultural osmosis as I never read Archie comics in my life (wasn't available in my childhood/teens, and never interested me as an adult).
ReplyDeleteThanks both of yew. The only Archie comic I have read is the one co-starring the Punisher. Though I believe it's quite the SJW comic these days...
ReplyDeleteApparently so. Isn't one of the characters asexual now? Maybe you should see if you can track one down. You're very interesting on that topic so it might be fun to cover.
ReplyDeleteJughead if I remember correctly. Not that even before that "reveal" his ships weren't mostly with food*. So not much interested in relationships from the beginning.
ReplyDelete* And now I'm trying to figure out how this would have gone if he was fat. Probably very differently. :/ (I got so much shit for being aromantic and fat, even if I'm not asexual, or food obsessed... which is admittedly very a weird position to be in.)
I might look into seeing if there are some modern Archie collections available sometime next year so I can "shame on you" DC about Archie comics being more socially concious than anything they produce.
ReplyDeleteAsexuality and its portrayal is something that interests me because I genuinely was asexual as a teenage and remember what it was like. Then when I was about 18 and a half I began lusting after women literally overnight, it was very bizarre lol. But I genuinely think I'd also have been happy staying Ace too.
Ace is definitely has the coolest name of all the sexualities. Gawd, imagine if Sappho had lived somewhere like Dalmatia. You'd have been queuing round the block for that Disney film.
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Ace is definitely better than "lesbian". I don't like that word it has baggage for me. I prefer saying I'm a gay woman myself.
ReplyDeleteI like 'gay woman', it has a more 'personal' ring. Nothing wrong with lesbian and I know plenty of girls who identity that way and it doesn't feel weird addressing them as such. But in general parlance lesbian can sound a bit clinical(?) maybe? Having said that, it doesn't crop up much and if it's relevant I usually just use gay. "There'll be some other gay lasses there so you might pull", that sort of thing. In my circles we also have a thing for pretending to use convoluted euphemisms "owns a few K D Lang albums" and the like. That's not cause anyone's bothered; it's just a bit of an affectation. Come to think of it I've probably picked that up from gay friends. Maybe it's a throwback to when people did have to be discrete. I also have a bit of a fondness for Polari, but that's from Round the Horne. Love that programme. One of my favourite lines ever is from when Julian and Sandy are barristers.
ReplyDeleteOh it chopped off the quote
ReplyDelete"We have a criminal practice that takes up most of our time."
Oh God I fucking love Round The Horne. Julian and Sandy being a highlight but all of it was great. I remember our local library having a selection of them on tape. Also I brought the Julian and Sandy selection myself. It's amazing how rude it was, and I have a smattering of Polari in my internal encyclopaedia thanks to that show too.
ReplyDeleteI have enjoyed that show "many many times"
ReplyDelete(Are you sure you're not actually me from an alternative timeline? We don't half like a lot of the same stuff. Just give me a heads up if I'm about to turn into an eldritch horror)
ReplyDeleteOooh innee bold!
ReplyDeleteI think the key will be if we meet and the universe explodes when we shake hands. Hopefully that won't happen.
There's a post coming soon, Saga Book 7. I'm typing it up as we speak.
Rebellion is worth watching even if only because of what happens to Kyubey.
ReplyDeleteAs for DC, maybe you should wait for the Harley and Ivy vs. Betty and Veronica crossover? I don't know how familiar are you with Archie, I understand it's never been popular there, but this still looks like it'll be fun.
DC's Hanna Barbera books are usually okay too, especially unlikely candidates like Lobo vs. Road Runner and Batman vs. Elmer Fudd (seriously, check it out even if it's Batman). And there's even a Dick Dastardly and Muttley comic written by Garth Ennis!